China with its rich 5000 year old
culture has always been fascinating.
We took the plunge this March and had a fabulous 16 day vacation, March 16-31; 2018. All planning and execution was on our own without help from any tour agent.
We usually learn some travel vocabulary for the countries we visit; for Russia, we learnt the Cyrillic alphabet and were able to read the signs and get by easily. Chinese script posed a daunting prospect! We did learn a few words though.
We took the plunge this March and had a fabulous 16 day vacation, March 16-31; 2018. All planning and execution was on our own without help from any tour agent.
We usually learn some travel vocabulary for the countries we visit; for Russia, we learnt the Cyrillic alphabet and were able to read the signs and get by easily. Chinese script posed a daunting prospect! We did learn a few words though.
We had a lovely variety of experiences as you can see from these pics.
Here's the Great wall at Badaling
Jade at Forbidden City
Marble boat, Summer Palace, Beijing
Following few pics are all from Pingyao ancient city
Pingyao, the Wall Street of ancient China
Wang family courtyard near Pingyao
Xi'an Wild Goose Pagoda north square
AWESOME jade all round
Terracotta Warriors
Drum tower, Xi'an
Grand Mosque, Xi'an
Temples were not crowded... this is the International section in White horse temple, Luoyang, day trip from Xi'an
Luoyang Longmen Grottos with 100000 Buddhas carved into the hill side...
Guilin was not too rainy
Great wall was snowy though...
Here's the Great wall at Badaling
Imperial Treasury at Forbidden city, Beijing
Jade at Forbidden City
Marble boat, Summer Palace, Beijing
Pingyao ancient city temple
Following few pics are all from Pingyao ancient city
Pingyao, the Wall Street of ancient China
Wang family courtyard near Pingyao
Xi'an Wild Goose Pagoda north square
AWESOME jade all round
Terracotta Warriors
Drum tower, Xi'an
Grand Mosque, Xi'an
Temples were not crowded... this is the International section in White horse temple, Luoyang, day trip from Xi'an
Luoyang Longmen Grottos with 100000 Buddhas carved into the hill side...
Guilin was not too rainy
Great wall was snowy though...
The kind Sun did melt away the snow as the day progressed..
Spring was in sway...Flowers were in full bloom
Suzhou Humble administrator garden |
Peach blossom everywhere...
Suzhou Humble administrator garden |
Suzhou Humble administrator garden |
West Lake, Hangzhou |
West Lake, Hangzhou |
West Lake, Hangzhou |
Leifung Pagoda, Hangzhou |
Shanghai People's Park |
Shanghai People's Park |
SHANGHAI Bund |
Topiary at Elephant trunk park, Guilin |
Longji Rice terraces presented a lovely sight
Lujia village near Guilin looked picturesque and we were so glad we stayed there.
Suzhou was a little underwhelming for us.
Water town Tongli was also meh...probably our expectation from the UNESCO Heritage town was too high
West Lake at Hangzhou was great.
Shanghai Bund was shrouded in mist on the last day we could spare, but no complaints. We had had awesome weather everywhere else!
Craftsmanship skills displayed through out were AWESOME, be it ceramics, wood carving, jade work or textiles
Shanghai Jade Buddha
WHEN TO GO?
April and May, September and October
are recommended as good months to visit China. Spring and autumn are
the preferred seasons when most of the popular places have their most
tourism-friendly weather.
AVOID Chinese National Day holiday week
October 1–7 and other Chinese holidays like May Labor day week.
We planned for a May vacation and
looked at the actual temperatures for places of our interest during
that period in 2017. We found it quite hot. We found March more
conducive.
China's winter low travel season is
from November to March. In the low season, although the weather
is colder, you can save money on hotels, flights, and entry tickets,
all our entry tickets were priced at half the usual fares.
We decided to use the Easter holiday,
later realized Qingming Festival (also known as Tomb-sweeping Day),
falls on either April 4th or 5th of the solar calendar. 2018 Qingming
Festival falls on April 5. We pushed our holiday forward a bit and
arrived at dates Mar 16-31
WHAT TO SEE?
The Golden Triangle: Beijing – Xi'an
– Shanghai suggests itself to the first timers.
Pingyao got tagged in between Beijing
– Xi'an.
Guilin/Yangshuo added itself between
Xi'an – Shanghai as a scenic wonder for the Karst mountains along
Li river and the scenic rice terraces at Longji.
Our choices are circled in the maps below.
Our choices are circled in the maps below.
We had an open jaw flight flying into
Beijing and out of Shanghai. We could have done it the other way
around as temperatures up north in Beijing, Pingyao would have become
less cold at the fag end of March. But we wanted to savor the
classic flavor of Beijing and its imperial highlights and Great wall
first. So we took our call. No regrets.
Beijing – Pingyao – Xi'an –Guilin
– Shanghai were our bases.
NOTABLE MISSES:
Zhangjiajie,
Yunnan ( Kunming, Lijiang, Dali, and the legendary Shangri-la )
Huangshan, Chengdu pandas, Leshan Giant Buddha as well as the
earthquake hit Jiuzhaigou had to be missed for paucity of time.
OUR ITINERARY:
March 16-20: Beijing, 4 nights.
HOTEL: Imperial courtyard hotel
March 20-22: Pingyao, 2 nights (7.44 am
high speed train D2001 from Beijing West to Pingyao; 4 hours trip)
(day trip to Wang family courtyard and
Shuanglin Temple )
HOTEL: Pingyao Cheng Jia Hotel
March 22-25: Xi'an 3 nights (D 2505; 8.40 AM; ticket was from starting station Taiyuan south Taiyuan south (Pingyao old town) to Xian north)
(Terracotta warriors, day trip to
Luoyang Longmen grottos and White Horse temple)
HOTEL: Grand Soluxe International Hotel
March 25-27: Lujia village near Guilin 2 nights (10.35 am flight Xi'an -Guilin 12.35)
(Day trip to Jinkeng and Pingan rice
terraces)
HOTEL: Secret Courtyard Resort
Hotel
March 27-29: Shanghai Bund 3 nights,
(7.15 am flight Guilin-Shanghai Pudong 9.30 am)
(day trip to Suzhou gardens and onward to water town Tongli one day and another day trip to Hangzhou West Lake)
(day trip to Suzhou gardens and onward to water town Tongli one day and another day trip to Hangzhou West Lake)
HOTEL: Shanghai Fish Inn Bund
March 30-31:
Shanghai Hongqiao International Airport 1 night
(flight to Beijing and onward home)
HOTEL: Boyue Shanghai Hongqiao
Airport Hotel inside Terminal 2
This is the map I marked up for our trip,
you can zoom in and read the bubbles for my notes.
THINGS TO PREPLAN:
MAIN FLIGHTS:
We
bought the main open jaw flights ourselves from the Air China site.
No issues.
INTERNAL FLIGHTS:
Where bullet trains are not available, we settled for flights. We
kept checking the flight fares for our 2 internal flights on the site
of the airlines, but found that agents ctrip offered better prices.
We bought Xi'an-Guilin flight and Guilin-Shanghai flight from them.
They informed that our flight timings had been pushed forward for the
1st one. No worries!
TRAINS
Video of our train rides is here:
G, C, D are all bullet trains, D is less fast than others.
China
Trains:
G, C, D are all bullet trains, D is less fast than others.
G is abb. of Chinese Gaosu/高速
meaning extreme fast.
C is Chengji/城际
meaning shuttling inter-city.
D is Dongche/动车
meaning exactly bullet trains.
Among the three:
G and C run only on specially built
high speed line.
D runs on high speed rail as well as
normal rail .
The official website is : www.12306.cn
Tickets go on sale online 30 days
before date of travel and need Chinese card and phone number for
booking. We used www.china-diy-travel.com
for 2 sets of high speed train tickets, provided details and our
passport numbers and paid them 10usd commission per ticket. We
checked the price of the tickets and they were quoted right. We made
the payment thru Paypal and received confirmation numbers. These have
to be presented at a railway station and converted to tickets,
showing all the passports.
We got all our tickets at one go from
Beijing main station on the 1st day of our tour. This saved us time
and aggravation on the day of travel. There was NO extra charge for
collection at a station which is not our departure station though some
people had said there will be a 5 CNY charge per ticket.
We can enter a train station only with
a ticket and ID. For collection of already bought tickets and for
buying new tickets there is a separate building with adequate signage
near the regular entrance.
Here's a sample of our tickets, I've circled our train number G1896, time 08.40 follows the date; 15 is our coach number, 04C is our seat.
Our passport number, names are at the bottom
Here's a sample of our tickets, I've circled our train number G1896, time 08.40 follows the date; 15 is our coach number, 04C is our seat.
Our passport number, names are at the bottom
There were lines outside waiting to
enter the station at the Beijing main station in the evening and they do have short
line for those whose train is within a few minutes. We opted for
early trains and did not encounter lines to enter. As one enters we
need to put baggage if any on the Xray machine and walk for a
personal wanding, then collect our bags. They man this op so well,
bags arrive only when the person does, no piling of bags or backlog
of people. I was worried about some one else picking up our bags and
we kept our valuables on us, no issues!
For day trips I had wanted to buy
tickets a day or 2 in advance. I had already got the timings of
suitable trains from the ctrip site for all our day trips and noted
return trip timings as well
In Xi'an I wanted tickets to Luoyang
Longmen bought the previous day at 6 pm from the main railway station
near our hotel but son did not oblige! We arrived at Xi'an north the
next day by 7.20 am and wasted 30 minutes in the line to buy tickets
and could board only a train at 8.40. Waste of time! Obviously it'll be impractical to not have a return ticket. Earlier I had thought we'll just buy tickets at the station when we are thru with the attraction but trains come in from far off destinations and are full. We saw a western couple travel standing from Hangzhou!
So in Shanghai, we went to the Shanghai
main station and bought tickets for Suzhou day trip for the next day.
We also bought Shanghai Hongqiao to Hangzhou East and return tickets
also for the 29th.
The station can sell tickets for trains
starting at another station in the city. The counter girl said our
option of 7am train has only standing room tickets. We opted for 6.54
train which had seats!
This saved us so much time and energy
on the day of travel.
We need to enter the station showing our ticket and ID, put our bags thru the machine, collect them, look at the electronic board for our train number, departure time.
We see the waiting room number and wait there till 15 min before our departure.
When the announcement is made in Chinese for checking in, we scan our ticket at the turnstile and go down the escalator to our platform
We line up at the platform at the place our coach number is marked
We need to enter the station showing our ticket and ID, put our bags thru the machine, collect them, look at the electronic board for our train number, departure time.
We see the waiting room number and wait there till 15 min before our departure.
When the announcement is made in Chinese for checking in, we scan our ticket at the turnstile and go down the escalator to our platform
We line up at the platform at the place our coach number is marked
Clear display with train number, time etc at the platform
Train aligns with the platform, easy to roll in bags
Seats recline, there is ample leg room
G trains go at 300 km/h, D trains around 250 km/h
Speed display
HOTELS
Video of all our hotels is here:
We booked all our hotels online ourselves after checking reviews.
All hotels have to get passport, visa info of foreign guests and register with the police. Foreigners have reported being denied rooms even after arriving with confirmed booking from sites like Booking.com. Be aware.
All except Lujia village were close to public transport and subway and convenience stores.
China
hotels:
We booked all our hotels online ourselves after checking reviews.
All hotels have to get passport, visa info of foreign guests and register with the police. Foreigners have reported being denied rooms even after arriving with confirmed booking from sites like Booking.com. Be aware.
All except Lujia village were close to public transport and subway and convenience stores.
We contacted hotel at Lujia and
arranged airport transfers both ways (120 CNY for pickup, 180 CNY for
drop off (5am pickup at hotel) for 7.15 am flight)and taxi for day
trip to rice terraces (650CNY) 2 weeks ahead of our trip.
Our Pingyao hotel arranged a taxi for
day trip (250 CNY) and also drop off at high speed train station (30
CNY)
In Xi'an the bell desk hailed us taxis
for airport drop as well as a taxi to Xi'an North train station
In Beijing we knew they did not have
English speaking staff and there will be no taxi assistance. We took
the airport taxi to hotel; used subway and buses thru out
All our hotels had authentic Chinese
décor, in fact Beijing and Pingyao were heritage family courtyard
properties.
We LOVED all our choices.
We LOVED all our choices.
SUBWAY
Video of metro rides is here:
We read up on subway rules in our bases Beijing, Xi'an, Shanghai and even day trips like Hangzhou and Suzhou, downloaded and printed out maps. We marked up all relevant stations. It was an interesting experience.
Subway signs are there on streets as seen below in Shanghai...
Self service ticket machines are easy to use as anywhere else in the world.
China
metro and maglev from Pudong airport:
We read up on subway rules in our bases Beijing, Xi'an, Shanghai and even day trips like Hangzhou and Suzhou, downloaded and printed out maps. We marked up all relevant stations. It was an interesting experience.
Subway signs are there on streets as seen below in Shanghai...
Self service ticket machines are easy to use as anywhere else in the world.
Clear signage everywhere
Our subway station is labelled and rest of the line and direction is also clearly displayed bilingual
waiting for the metro
This is how we found the metro as we travel early; Ha, ha, aren't you surprised?
We traveled all the way to Tongli on metro from Suzhou and bought the ticket to water town at the Tongli metro station and got a free ride on the shuttle!
At Shanghai line 13 to Jade Buddha we
ran into problem trying a transfer from Line 2, wasted extra tickets
when one attendant misguided us; another attendant showed a laminated
card explaining this is a new line and needs tickets bought outside!
Also when we took the subway line 2 to
Shanghai Hongqiao airport to stay at our airport hotel for the last
night, the subway terminated at an earlier station. Thankfully we had
taen or bags at 6 am in the morning on the same line and kept them at
the hotel. We had to get down, wait there itself and take another
train which arrived. Quite surprising!
There are plenty of stairs to climb, escalators are only up at exits/entrances. Transfers also involve long walks and stairs. Be aware if you are planning to carry bags!
There are plenty of stairs to climb, escalators are only up at exits/entrances. Transfers also involve long walks and stairs. Be aware if you are planning to carry bags!
TAXIS
Interestingly, one can rent a car in China only after taking a driving test there and getting a license. Driving license from otjer countries does not work!
Excepting Shanghai, taxis were reasonably priced and ran on meter
We had addresses/ names in Chinese
characters written and printed in a word file along with common
phrases.
We had no problem getting taxis from
the official ranks at Beijing airport, Xi'an North train station.
Beijing airport to hotal near Andingmen station 78 CNY plus toll 10
cny. Xi'an North train station to hotel was 58 CNY, the taxi got
rear ended and they spent some 5 minutes exchanging info/money on
their phones!
Next day taxi from hotel to Xi'an north was just 42 CNY
Next day taxi from hotel to Xi'an north was just 42 CNY
.
Pingyao gucheng station was a little
disorderly but we managed a taxi after confirming 40 CNY to our hotel near North gate.
For our day trip to Luoyang Longmen
grottos and White horse temple, a taxi guy approached at the station
car park, quoted 250 CNY for the whole day taking us first to White
horse temple and then to the grottos. Even the peony gardens was on
his list.
We could have released him at the grottos and got our taxi back to train station but we stuck with him. Our train back to xi'an north was at 4.44 . He had a great translation app. We did find taxis waiting at both Luoyang Longmen grottos and White horse temple.
Our Taxi guy |
We could have released him at the grottos and got our taxi back to train station but we stuck with him. Our train back to xi'an north was at 4.44 . He had a great translation app. We did find taxis waiting at both Luoyang Longmen grottos and White horse temple.
MONEY
US credit cards were not accepted at
any attraction/railway ticket counter. We paid cash. ATMs were fine.
We found our debit card not working in Shanghai Pudong airport ground floor, a tout
informed us only Chinese cards work there. We asked at Info and went
up and found ATMs on 3rd floor which dispensed cash for us
ENTRY TICKETS
Some attraction tickets like Forbidden
city need Passport for foreigners. We carried our passports
everywhere. There are separate counters for foreigners at both
Forbidden city right in near the entrance on the right hand side and
Badaling Great wall where you have to climb up after the regular
counters. Even foreigners above 60 have discounts or free passage in
many places! All our tickets were at reduced price for off season.
Regular prices start on Apri1
TOILETS:
Had read so much about squat toilets but we
did not encounter any problems. All sites we visited had a sparkling clean western
toilet at one corner. No TP or hand sanitizer/soap dispenser though. We took our own, no
worries!
INTERNET:
Google etc are blocked in China and
people use VPN. We always use the wifi at hotels, airports etc
and don't need data. We set up a qq mail account and set up
forwarding from our gmails. It worked fine.
I managed to get street view for all our hotels on the qq map... map.qq.com. Came in mighty useful
http://map.qq.com/#pano=10011007131129103341400&heading=119&pitch=20&zoom=1
is our Beijing hotel hutong
http://map.qq.com/#pano=10011007140115125832500&heading=189&pitch=4&zoom=2
is 877 Badaling great wall bus stop
I managed to get street view for all our hotels on the qq map... map.qq.com. Came in mighty useful
http://map.qq.com/#pano=10011007131129103341400&heading=119&pitch=20&zoom=1
is our Beijing hotel hutong
http://map.qq.com/#pano=10011007140115125832500&heading=189&pitch=4&zoom=2
is 877 Badaling great wall bus stop
LANGUAGE /COMMUNICATION:
We had downloaded google translate app
for offline use. We also had a word file with common phrases we need.
Ditie...dee ti eh for subway worked very well.
Same thing with gu cheng zhan or gu
gong, stuff like that. We showed the chinese translation to security
on the road or even to strangers and every one gestured and helped us
out with a smile.
Most places we visited had English
signboards too, going off the beaten track will probably need
Chinese language skills.
Hello. 你好。
Nǐ hǎo.
Please. 请。
Qǐng.
Thank you. 谢谢。
Xièxiè.
入口 Entrance
[rùkǒu]
出口 Exit
[chūkǒu]
推 Push
[tuī]
拉 Pull [lā]
厕所
/ 洗手间 Toilet
[cèsuǒ] / [xǐshǒujiān]
Chinese does not have words for "yes"
and "no" as such; instead, questions are typically answered
by repeating the verb. Here are common examples:
To be or not to be 是
shì, 不是 bú shì
地铁 ditie subway
Ticket 票Piào
售票处
Shòupiào chù ticket office
车票Chēpiào bus/train
ticket
北京植物园
Běijīng zhí wù yuán Beijing
botanical garden
长城
Chángchéng Great wall
- Taxi 出租车 chū zū chē 等 Děng waitthe train station...火车站 ...huǒchē zhànthe bus station ...汽车总站 ...qìchē zǒngzhànthe airport ...机场 ...jī chǎng
- yuan 元; 10 jiao 角角=10 fen 分
We had a word file with all the attractions and their names in Chinese .
RESOURCES FOR RESEARCH:
Travelchinaguide was pretty helpful for research; they even answered some questions of mine promptly. Wish I had bought some service from them.
PEOPLE:
Overall, we found the people quite
willing to help if you showed them Chinese written words.
At Suzhou subway station the machine did not take 1 CNY note, we needed coins. I asked Young men behind us for a coin showing my note, they gave me the coin and refused to take my note. I had to chase down 3 of them and make them accept the note!!
the Security guard noticing our plight got a note and returned with a coin to help! Such LOVELY UNFORGETTABLE people!!
At Guilin we wanted to know the direction to walk to the Sun and Moon pagoda from the Elephant trunk hill park. It was drizzling steadily. A girl sheltering at a bicycle stand gestured us to follow her and walked on... it was a LOOONG walk and we were surprised why she was doing this for us. We decided she'll ask for a tip, and were contemplating we would stop at 10 CNY. In fact we were a little annoyed that she chose to do it this way instead of just pointing the way. We reached the destination, she gestured us to cross the road and waved us goodbye before trudging off! What a sweet girl!!
Lines were orderly at subway stations, in spite of the massive crowds.
At Suzhou subway station the machine did not take 1 CNY note, we needed coins. I asked Young men behind us for a coin showing my note, they gave me the coin and refused to take my note. I had to chase down 3 of them and make them accept the note!!
the Security guard noticing our plight got a note and returned with a coin to help! Such LOVELY UNFORGETTABLE people!!
At Guilin we wanted to know the direction to walk to the Sun and Moon pagoda from the Elephant trunk hill park. It was drizzling steadily. A girl sheltering at a bicycle stand gestured us to follow her and walked on... it was a LOOONG walk and we were surprised why she was doing this for us. We decided she'll ask for a tip, and were contemplating we would stop at 10 CNY. In fact we were a little annoyed that she chose to do it this way instead of just pointing the way. We reached the destination, she gestured us to cross the road and waved us goodbye before trudging off! What a sweet girl!!
Lines were orderly at subway stations, in spite of the massive crowds.
We had read about stares at foreigners
and had assumed it was for the white foreigners, We were stared at a
LOT, almost constantly, people poked phones, cameras right at our
faces and took pics even with a flash.
There were several instances of sneaky
picture taking, mostly by young girls and boys. There was instant
uploading as well after some fast texting! We were so surprised.
At Pingyao, 2 middle aged ladies were
so overcome at the sight of me! My strategy was to confront the
starer with a smile, here the ladies dissolved into a frenzy and
waved and yelled Hello!
Youngsters approached with an accented
“ May I have a picture with you?” and were happy when we obliged!
Some wanted both of us, some were selective! Son had a stream of
girls who wanted pics with him! There were some girls who wanted a
pic with only me.
I took a pic of the pic taking once
and found several instances where our pics are being taken by a stranger! I can kind of get the youngsters needing a pic for their social media account but the many older guys taking my picture freaked me out!
Kids went all out staring away, many times joined by the adults in the group.
and found several instances where our pics are being taken by a stranger! I can kind of get the youngsters needing a pic for their social media account but the many older guys taking my picture freaked me out!
Kids went all out staring away, many times joined by the adults in the group.
It was all such an intense experience
for sure!
Tough on us vegetarians. We self catered.
Below is Milk cartons and yogurt drink bottles... all chinese labels of course.
Brought a pile of home made Tortillas made with whole wheat flour and smeared with butter, and home made tomato relish
Supplemented with juice, yogurt, bananas, grapes bought
This is home made cashew nut sweet
This is forbidden rice, Imperial rice/black rice, grown just for the emperor.
We could not buy ordinary white rice anywhere. This rice was available only in one shop at Xi'an. Went great with our soup.
Unfortunately we were in the midst of a lot of smokers. By the time we reached Shanghai I had a bad cough and felt feverish. I made do with medicines. I felt OK on boarding the flight back home.
FOOD:
Tough on us vegetarians. We self catered.
Below is Milk cartons and yogurt drink bottles... all chinese labels of course.
Milk is 牛奶
Niúnǎi ... see in the cartons below
Plain bread was hard to come by
This is a sweet filling with dates, usually the fillings were all meat!
Brought a pile of home made Tortillas made with whole wheat flour and smeared with butter, and home made tomato relish
This is home made cashew nut sweet
This is forbidden rice, Imperial rice/black rice, grown just for the emperor.
We could not buy ordinary white rice anywhere. This rice was available only in one shop at Xi'an. Went great with our soup.
POLLUTION:
Unfortunately we were in the midst of a lot of smokers. By the time we reached Shanghai I had a bad cough and felt feverish. I made do with medicines. I felt OK on boarding the flight back home.
With this intro, I'm starting a day by
day detailed account of our trip.
Report of Days 1 and 2 is here:
Report of Days 1 and 2 is here:
CHINA VIDEOS:
As
usual our videos have music and some frames are captioned.
Link
for full album is here:
Great
wall at Badaling:
China
hotels:
Forbidden
city:
Summer
palace and Beihai:
Pingyao:
Wang
family courtyard and Shaunglin temple:
Xi'an:
Xi'an
Drum Tower performance:
Luoyang
White horse temple and Longmen grottoes:
Terracotta
Army:
Guilin:
Shanghai:
Hangzhou
West Lake:
Suzhou
and Tongli:
Hangzhou
west lake Xihu music, dance buskers:
China
Trains:
China
metro and maglev from Pudong airport:
Bai
ma si bells;Xi'an drum tower performance; Prayer chants, Xi'an and
Shanghai jade Buddha;
Prayer
call Xian great mosque:
Jade
Buddha Temple chants:
Hello!
ReplyDeleteFound your blog from Trip Advisor forum. Wow, that is a LOT of information here. Hats off to you for you are one adventurous traveler. We've always gone on a tour, and the bad news is you get to see all the touristy stuff. The good news is we don't have to do all the leg work.
I love your trip and really enjoyed reading your various destinations. I would've done several posts though since there is so much helpful and detailed information. Great photos too! Thank you for sharing.
Hello mvmaithai
DeleteYes, indeed we are an adventurous lot and have been blessed to have the opportunity to visit lovely places.
Doing it on our own is so satisfying and totally worth the effort on research.
I have put all the facts on a platter for newbies, and I can see several people benefiting with these reports.
Appreciative comments like yours are most welcome and give me the energy to continue!!